I had two buck run a doe by me this morning. One small eight and a big heavy eight but, they got on the wrong side of me and two many trees in the way for a shot.They where grunting and putting on a show. Nether one of them wouldof madeP&Y. Ilived inIowa for 56 years and I live in NE NE 6 years now and I think NE sucks for big bucks. They are hard to come buy here. I only see one once in a blue moon. You just don't seeB&C bucks all the time like you seein SW IA.