Thanks Frank, You know me I like the Marlins. I do have to say though the Ruger is definately the best looking .17 made so far. I had looked at the Ruger more than half a dozen times. I liked them alot. The Marlin vs that I have is pretty well made, nothing to the standards of the Marlin MR-7 bolt action they made a few years back, but pretty good. Nice to see you guys again on the bbs.