It depends on exactly which Rems and which Wins.

If times are good and its available, my personal pick of all steel is Win Supremes (black box). They are just a tad less exensive than black cloud. The hulls and brass are high quality, so they will keep for several hunts, even if you get them wet. Same goes for Premier Nitro Rems. Personally, I like Xperts over Sportsman Steel, mostly because of the speed factor. Kent Fasteel has killed alot of birds for me over the years as well... just don't ever get them wet because they will rust faster than raw iron on the beach.