Thanks for the input. I still feel there is justification for being able to use " carbines" in slug only areas. When I refer to a carbine I am taliking about any rifle chambered for a pistol round. Lever, bolt, semi-auto or single shot and pump. If we are talking about range then look at .22lr around 1.5 miles. Some of the newer muzzleloaders, especially .45 cal guns w/ sabots can reach out farther than most of us would use the 30/30 for. As far as the second amendment it assures us the right to own guns not to get to hunt with them.

here are some reasons I think this would be good:

1. Better inherrant accurracy
2. less recoil for new hunters, women, and children
3. Better bullets
4. Faster follow up shots- if needed
5. These carbines are easier for small and young people to carry, they fit them better,allowing more diversity in hunting.

Also here in Indiana we to can go afield and kill coyotes with any centerfire rifle.
I think I will use my .35 whelen this February[>:]