Yeah MT I apologize for the vague info. My brother is gonna ask his co-worker. My brother and I are firemen in diff counties. His co-workers dad owns the land in NM and his uncles owns some land in similar size nearby. I told him to ask his co worker the questions you had asked me.. So when I get more info I'll let ya know. I also told him if the odds weren't adding up maybe we would go out there for mulies if those are in the area. I do know that the landowner has tags for elk so I don't know if that means they are there.. Either way I'll let you guys know. Thanks again and be safe