ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony
98% of rifle accuracy comes from the guy pulling the trigger....
Not all calibers/chamberings are created equal in terms of "MOA accuracy"....
Not all "rifle experts" understand that matching bullet weight/length to twist is a requirement of "accuracy".....
Not all factory ammo will shoot as well as taylored handloads, and it's only been recently that certain factory offerings could even be considered as being as accurate as handloads.....
A Remington incorrectly set up will likely shoot worse thana Savage properly set up....
A lot of "accuracy testimonials" come from guys that don't realize the simple stuff, like thesling studs dragging on the bags is bad.......
A lot of "accuracy testimonials" come from guys who think cheap glass is thebest way to go.....
"Out of the box" shooters have little understanding of Rifle Mechanics, Ballistics, or Marksmanship. They avoid doing anythingto a rifle beyond stuffing ammo in the mag well.They seak the easy path of least resistance, and don't shoot much. Their rifles stay mostly in the gunsafe......
The Win 70 and the Rem 700 have bar none been the best selling bolt action rifles in Americanhistory. The 700 is the most copied, the most customized,considered the most reliable, and carries a fair resale value...even in basic degraded factory condition. Folks will seek out and buy a 700, paying more than a savage is worth, just to get the actionfor another build.....
This thread was about Savage vs. Remington....not Remington vs. NEF/Rossi in defense of Savage.
The design of the Remington 700 islightyears ahead of the Savage...proven by the fact it's the best selling,the most copied, and the most customized. You need only that to wina head to head comparison.
When the rifles in my safe that have the word "Savage" stamped on the bolt fail to kill game, or shoot where I aim them, then perhaps I will start lacing my drinks withwhatever you guys have been.All brands of rifles are welcome in my safe, Savage, Remington, Kimber, Browning, etc. they all get the job done. If you want to argue THAT, then there is no helping you. Obviously, the Remington actionis a FAR better choice for a project rifle, and is a more foolproof design, which is why it is so popular. So I will agree, that for the guy who wants to buy a hunting rifle, and perhaps do some serious customization down the road, that he Remington 700 would be the beter choice, but for a drag through the mud and grime hunting rifle, either would do in that case.