Zrex, that was what I was saying in my post waaay back before the really good name-calling got started. Just my personal experience with both Remington and Savage, having shot both. Maybe the military gave me the worst Remington ever, seven times, and I just got lucky with the Savage, twice in a row. Just joking about the Remington being the worst. They all shot fine, just not as well as the Savages.