i' m a hunter thats what i like to do. it don' t bother me to come home with a deer or elk or nothing at all. when i get a elk deer or whatever i earned it i hunted it found it myself NO GUIDES just me new area have to hunt it to find GAME by myself its called hunting thats what i like to do.a lot of elk and deer in the gloat books are from people that had GUIDES its like hiring a hunter to find your game. they are not true hunters to me they only become shooters .and these type of people will be the first to enter there HUNTED game in the gloat books. like i said before i will not enter my bucks in the gloat books and be listed with a bunch of shooters. i' m a HUNTER thats what i like to do. just my opinon and nobody else