hotgunner, how many coyotes and foxes have you trapped? have you ever been on the trapline with someone taking them? how many feet have you found in empty traps? if you are seeing this on a regular basis, other than peta propaganda, we need to talk because you are doing something terribly wrong. if you are saying these things because you heard them please do your homework before repeating them. you are more than welcome to come on my line starting next October if you like.