Wow, somebody sure doesnt like to be disagreed with. Hey C903, Ive talked to Bob Mizek at N.A.P, and hes also one of those who believe they can hit together. Gosh, I really hope that little bit of name dropping impressed you.Im gonna take my highly tuned bow, { or untuned, depending on which side of the fence your on,} that magically groups both together, and very nicely, I might add, and walk away quietly. May all your groups be tight. Peace.