OK gentlmen thank you for your response and the truth be told i have shot a few geese last year with a bow and it was a compound. And the arrow passed right threw. Well i kind of did my own thing and bought a 7 mos old chocolate Lab yesterday. and already she likes to fetchs socks and things. what should i do to get her ready for next yrs goose hunt? And are these dogs as good as flushing and pointing? Now when i was young boy about 9 i went fishing with my friend in Wisconsin and he had black Lab, Well it seen some ducks in the water and it stood so still and lifted its front paw and tail went straight. Now that i look back i dont ever see people speaking of the Labrador doing this type of thing, It is usually and springer or a german, so what and how do i train her to fetch a bird? without biting down hard on it..... Thank You William Daughenbaugh Stephenson County Illinois