Take a look at the FPB conical Hornady just came out with them this years the tests we have done on them so far have shown excellant results, they work well for expansion and penatration and most guns are very accurate with them. An other option is the Sabor Tooth which I use for several years with excellant results. None of them are as good as a sabot for long range in my opinion but there are places where you can not use sabots. Lee