Can't have it both ways BB.Should there or should there not be shade tolerant trees growing in the understory?You already admitted there should be.Do you want me to show you some examples of not only seedlings making it past the ferns?
You are intentionally misrepresenting what I posted. I did not say there was a mid level understory in the woods I reported on. I said the shading was so intense that it killed the well developed shade tolerant spice bush and you could see 75 yds. even with the leaves on. I also pointed out that no one expects to see a mid level understory ,in pole timber stands, that is within reach of the deer.