I alsoforgot to mention i rattle and grunt during the pre-rut .After i put my urine in the mock scrape[doe or buck] i clime in my stand wait for the sun to come up and at the point where i can see my pin on my bow i start to rattle , i do that for about 15-20 seconds then i look around to see oe hear if anything is coming in then i start to grunt about4-5 times then wait for atleast half and hour then start over again. But remember to always check down wind of you because most buck will be coming in for that direction , they will be checking the wind for a doe that is in heat .