Well I' m getting a new Ultratec now! I went and shot one today and on the first shot I honestly said wow outloud. Sweet shooter, no kick, silent, balances nicely, smooooootthhhh. Getting 27" draw and 60# peak. I was shooting higher poundage than my current bow(Alpine Sidewinder) and the smoothness of the cams made it easier to pull. Also with just the Hoyt Stab, factory limbsavers, and string leaches it was quieter than my current bow with lots of Sims stuff all over it. Now to start accesory shopping. Should be 3-4 weeks according to the shop. The last two he has ordered took 3 weeks so shouldn' t be too long, time to start saving money.