T, thats about what I came up with to. Heavier, of course longer points change f.o.c. more. You came up with four tenths, and like I said I always figured about a half a percent. Maybe Im not as stupid as I give myself credit for. C903, And Im trying to quote here,Some people say you can get fpts. and bhds. to hit in the same spot.That may be true in some cases, but more often it s not.

O.k. Heres my question, so the guy who gets his to hit in the same spot according to your thinking, must need to retune and get them apart, because it should not only be impossible, but not truly tuned. As far as the bhds. being longer and changing f.oc. or balance point, once again unless your on the edge, its a moot point. Wings on the front of the arrow. Not a major point worth considering if your shooting modern low profile venteds. As far as the wings on the back, well yeah thats kinda the whole idea. More heli the better, up to a point to resolve the last issue.. Paragraph number two I agree with the first part, but as far as arrow speed it doesnt wash, and thats where I disagree with Adams once again. I know good 3d shooters pushing over 300 f.p.s who know how to tune and get great b.hd. groups. Is it a forgiving setup. Of course not, but these guys Idea of a bad group are light years ahead of most.

Paragraph three, yup it would make sense if I was pushing a ton and a half arrow that had the aerodynamics of a badly designed Ford car. A quarter inch would make a hell of a difference. Your talking aerodynamics which arent even close to being comparable between the two.

Last paragraph. Your hitting low left. If you bare shaft those puppies, your still gonna be low left. Youve skipped a step.Im not recomending you move your knocking point and rest at this stage the amount of what I think your saying. When Im talking moving the rest by this time, Im talking thirty second of an inch, and quite possibly less than that. Im talking about what Easton talks about, when they use the term " Micro tuning" .If someones hitting that far off the mark, they are way overspined, and need to make a new arrow purchase and go back to paper, and start the whole process over.If you went back and got really picky and microed those so called bullet holes they started with, Id bey youd find out they werent as perfect as they thought. Perfect tears are different things to different people. I whole heartedly agree with your last statements. If bhds. group well, it doesnt really matter.Thats really the bottom line, and everything else is moot. I happen to beleive true arrow to bow tuning is achieved when both types of heads hit in the same aproximate spot, and when I spend the time bringing my bow intune to my arrows, I always acheive it and good groups with both hitting together are the result. I do kind of remember reading the article, or one very similar,and as usual, my thoughts are when I read those, " Heres a guy who needs to get pickier with his tuning and especially his arrow selection. Hes trying to bandaid an arrow setup that doesnt fit." You guys look at us who try to achieve this as middle of the road tuners, and quite honestly thats exactly how I see the other side of the issue. We can both come up with scores of well know bowhunters, tuners, pros, and teachers who support both sides of the issue. Whos right. I think we are, you think you are. Thats good enough for me as long as good groups are the bottom line. Peace, and happy shooting.