Buckeye, I am curious. Did you have the Lone Wolf climber with the old v-bar? I guarantee my Lone Wolf Alpha climber will not slip!!!! I recommend the traction belt climbers over any climbing stand that uses a cable, chain or v-bars. The traction belts used on the Lone Wolf climbers will absolutely not slip if used correctly of course. I plan on keeping mine for many years. I have never used a stand that was so quiet....lock on or climbing!