Yep,the deer can still live and reproduce inthe poor habitat of 2g just like the underweightdisease ridden people of Africa and many other third world countryies do.I see the deer herd increase in this poor habit over time until a bad winter of two knocks the snot of them,like what happened in 3003-2004.In any event,some areas of 2G can certainly handles 20+ dpsm and many areas with better habitat or more foodhave dd's like like that.Can all over 2G support those kinds of dd without further damage to the habitat?Absolutely not.I've spent many hours in the woods with foresters and biologists from DCNR,PSU and the PGC.They have all the proof in the world toshow exactly how the deer have impacted the habitat.Ispent alot of time around Pawildman's camp with the district forester from DCNR.Theyhave a pretty good handle on the dd in this part of Moshannon state forest because of the FLIR and pellet counts done every year.They also have excellent regeneration records going back many years.Just nowthey're starting to get good enough regneration that they don't have to fence some of their timber sales and the overwinter dd is right around 9-10 dpsm.Does that mean the area can't support more deer?Nope,it supported more in the past.However,the habitat will never recover if they let the d get that high again too soon.In poor habitat like you find all across 2G,it takes far fewer deer to continue to impact the habitat.This is all about fixing the habitat for the benefit of more than just the deer.It' not about raising the maximum number of easy targets for hunters.