Now i been to 3 county fairs,two goat ropin's , An a pig greasin'...and i ain't ever heard nothing like this regarding cleaning black powder guns....

these old timers out in Forest Grove that own a black powder shop said they been cleaning there rifles with 409 house hold cleaner for 25 years and "there aint nothing better!" they say....

When i laughed at him, he asked if my gun was clean? i told him that i'd swabbed it out last night with TC # 13 bore cleaner....so he grabs up my rifle and heads to the shop. first thing he does is put a bore light in it and showed it to me....hell, i didn't think it was bad at all...then he wets a patch with 409 and runs it down the barrel .....I COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I SAW!!!!! that was incredible! he told me most folks just THINK they got a clean barrel.....then after he was done he ran a patch with oil on it down the tube....well i'm thinking to myself "What's all this hot water and murphy soap nonsense?" i asked him about using oil products instead of water base bore butter and such and loosing the seasoning....he down right said it was BS...he said i'd be better off using plain old motor oil than that crap....worst thing a barrel can do is rust.... this all kinda went against the grain from everthing i've heard so far.....

anyone ever hear of this before?