formula1 and Todd1700, I wasn' t at all slamming the slick tricks. I have my brand that I use and am very happy with them. I have never used them and don' t know anyone who does. The only thing that I took offense to was the quote about guys testing them by purposely shooting hogs in the shoulder to try them out. I do not know Gary ( oldhootowl). It sounds like he is very confident in his product. That is great. I t also sems that he backs his product up and has been very willing to replace heads etc. so people would be happy. Honestly, he seems to be a nice guy.I believe that that huntmup gave a very fair and detailed example of HIS experience with the heads. He did it in a very civil manner. He did a great job. Gary seemed to get a little hot about it and replied. Fine. They are his heads and had a right to stick up for them. Evrything was OK. But to make the statement about the purposely shooting the hogs in the shoulder, man that was a poor decison. I just feel that it was something that makes bowhunting look very bad. It is a shame that the world is that way. Guilty by association. But there are alot of opponents of bowhunting ( hunting in general) who jump on that kind of stuff. Besides, for me, my opinion only, that kind of stuff goes against what hunting is all about. I really hate to even use the term ethics because people get all bent out of shape. But think about it, taking a potentially marginal shot on a living game animal, ON PURPOSE!!, to test a head. I am sorry but that is plain wrong. I have talked to 4 different bowhunters today. I just happened to run into them . I explained the situation ( one guy read the post himself), and asked there honest opinion, before even giving mine. Every single one said that the thought it was a very negative statement to be made. Man I hate to see trouble stirred up on here. I really enjoy the posts where people are having fun and being helpful, with some good natured ribbing going on. But sometimes things do get heated. Unfortunately that is life. But I really cherish bowhunting and all that it entails. And when something like that is said, representing a negative spotlight on hunting in general, it is hard to just sit back and turn a deaf ear. As I said before, in an earlier thread about a questionable shot, I gave an opinion about ethics. A few guys came on and kind of ripped us guys of that opinion. I realized that I did probably overreact. The guy made the shot as a new hunter who was excited. He learned from it I am sure. I realzed that we all have done this. I was called into question for my statements. So I came back on with a very humble apology. I made the statements, were called on them. So I tried to make them right. Well, in this situation, Gary made a comment that people took offense to. He made the comment himself. He was called out on it. He came back with a heated reply. That was his right. But others have a right to call into question something that they feel is a detriment to the hunting lifestyle ( I hate to just call it a sport). That was my position on the matter. Everybody has different prefrences when it comes to eqpt. That is what the business world is all about. I didn' t have the problem with the opinions on the broadheads. It was the statement on the test that offended me. I am sorry if anybody is offended by my posts. I really am. I never want to come accross as a troublemaker. I love these forums. I love it when some advice I can give may help someone. And I love getting feedback from others to help me.But I just can' t sit back and not reply to something of that nature that goes against the welfare of something that is so important to me.. I am in no way trying to slam the Slick Tricks, or Gary himself. Just the statement on the hog deal. That is the sore point.