Well saluki... you could hunt in NY a life time and never see a 185 deer. LOL Everyone is worrying about shooting the 3 and a half vs a 4 and a half, when in reality... you don't really know how old that deer is. Oh you can look at belly, nose etc... but I would venture to say that 90 percent would be wrong on age by looks. Heck, even the experts disagree after looking at dentures over 4. If you like the deer, just shoot him. Most bucks get displaced by the dominate bucks from their range anyway. Probably half the deer you pass move to someone elses property anyway. It's a fact... young bucks move to new country. What's amazing to me is that people that have shot a half dozen deer can look at one and declare it a 3 1/2 year old. They've been watching too many TV shows. I've seen a lot of TV Experts shoot a scraggly horned skinny boned thing and immediately declare it(from 200 yards away) a 4 1/2 or 5 1/2 year old buck. Many of them are probably no more than 2 and a half.