yeah i mostly go around fishing neighborhood ponds. and i dont go over 1/8 oz ever. i like the 1/6 but it has to be swam fast and shallow. the thing is im a finesse fisherman. or big action. not much in between for me lol. they do work and i def agree on the hackle. it is some of the worst quality hackle they could use. but hey it catches fish. i also love the panther martins/ i like them more personally. especially the solid silver colored ones. i like the smaller ones too. they tere up the bass, crappie, and bluegill.