thanx for the input guys,i finally got a hold of them this am.ordered 3 1/2,2 1/4 oz4,5,7,s.youch are they expensive,but i figure if i get one shot and they live up to the hype,it will be worth it.i hunt in 12 days,she says that shell is a popular item and should be shipped by wednsday,meaning i should have the order in time.lesson learned,order early.