Thanks jorgy, although this is defferant from the way iv' e done it before i think i like this way better i will try it today. by the way the reason i am doing it this late in the season is because while i was out looking for sheds last week i found the remains of a buck.He was skin and bones but his heads was still mostly intact because of the very frozen winter. i scored the rack. he is 125.2 thanks again for your help. larry harper (hunthardhuntoften)