I too agree with everything said. I have a Mossberg 835. When shooting 3.5" loads, my shoulder, cheek, and earstook a beating. After shooting 5 consecutive shots of 3.5" 00 BUCK at a deer running (during a drive) I broke down and bought the Remington R3 recoil pad. It increases trigger pull, but the recoil ismanageable. My ears are still ringing due to the porting system on the 835. Next year, I'm going to by a Benelli SPE!