Yeah I got a hold of them, they only do kids bows, said he would order me one but I would have to buy it first.....No test drive......I have two cyclones and a maverick....I really don't need a new one but just saw your first post and got me thinking......I was previously looking at the bowtechs and had made my mind up on the commander.....Saw one for sale on here, and bought it.....I now have 4 bows (when the bowtech arrives) and for the time being am out of the market for a new bow....It will be hard for me to not take one of the darton's hunting this year, Real Hard. Guess we'll see......