Well I have to tell you all I believe that those fancy expensive bullets do not kill anything any deader than an XTP or a Gold Dot. Now for elk moose and griz. or red stag or large African game there might be a point in using them; but for deer, boar and black bear I normally get bang flops with the XTP or lately with the Gold Dots and they are reasonable enough to pratice with,paying over a dollar a shot for normal shooting is like driving a caddy, strickly for show. If you put that bullet in the right place,which is a whole lot more important a good percetage of the time then all you really need to do is use one thats adaquate for the game. Lee