thanks guys i shoot a single pin now because of my set up i can hold right where i need to out to 30 yards without holding high i was never a real big fan of several pins and i hunt the big timber in northern wis were most shots are 25 yrds or less wich is another reason i only use single pin so my pin is always centered i was just curious because i seen and heard of guys using bigger peeps as well as guys using round housings with a flourecent green or orange around the back didn' know if that made a diff or not i tried a lited pin 3 years ago and thats was the worst at seeing in the eaerly morning or lat evening