Bear in mind that I am a bit of a "freak" when comes to optics. I think they are of slightly better than mediocre quality and are not extremely durable. A good reason to buy them however is their price, chevrons that help at different ranges and they're undaunting warranty. I dropped by Elite scoped Phoenix the other day and all that happed was that the edge of the rear bell was dented. No change of impact even! The scope is a $600.00 scope however so that makes good reason for the Excal scopes. If I shot 3D then I would probably use a Lumizone.