Where are they? Where they've always been, in VT spending the fall hunting. I think what happened is they "tried" the go the show and seminar etc route and didn't like it. I went to a seminar they did and they just seem like backwoods boys who just love hunting, they didn't seem comfortable talking infront of groups of people. They aren't the "polished" presenters etc that some are in the industry.

As for the ethics? Well much of that probably is rooted in jealousy. About the only "story" I've heard is the "must" mistake and shoot does, but no proof.

I've seen two of the videos and in all honestly, thought they were a waste of money. Due to the way they hunt its almost impossible to show the deer they are about to shoot. You see them tracking thorugh the woods, you MIGHT see a flash of brown, then "bang" hunt over. You then see the dead deer. Not all that fun to watch, at least in my opinion. they ARE a riot to talk to 1 on 1 though.