I am very fortunate when it comes to buying new guns, my 1st cousin is ffl licensed and will get whatever I want at his price. A lot of guys would faint if they really knew what the true markup is on retail prices. Especially on scopes. Back in the 80's when I was in high school I once bought an old winchester lever action .22 ( the cheap made one ) I can't remember the model number, for $25.00. I still have it, the ejector needs fixing.