i was thinking about trying a .451 300gr speer and black sabot first with 90grs of rs. then some t7. i got a bunch of .451 230 gr xtp's to try also along with the prb. the last thing that was used was 85 grs of rs and some maxi hunters. the deer don't get much over #175/210 around here but the hogs get big well over #350 but most of the run about #50 to 175.