speaking of deals i just bought a 2000 model hoyt magnatec from a guy at my school for 150 bucks. when he bought the bow and all the stuff with it the cost was close to $600. he shot it four times and did not like it so it was just sitting in his closet. the other day he asked me if i would be interested in buying it , since i was in the market for a steal i said hek yea. i just went and got some brand new ICS 400 carbons and the bow shoots 260 fps. i have $200 bucks in a great bow, it is so quiet that it is unbelievable, i would definetly recomend it!! i love mine.