thanks a lot guys,I had read a lot of negative stuff about TC not answering the phone and standing behind their product on this gun forum,but I have thought about buying one for years,and the other day at my local gun shop there was one with a 30-30barrel I think 12inch with scope base for about$350 and a nice looking gun,not scratched,and good blueing,and I can get the smaller caliber barrels from midsouth shooters supply.I'm glad some of you like these,it was a TC or Magnum Research and I dont know anything about them,I think I'll get the TC.