Todd I understand what you are saying but RT has stepped in the right direction with the AP. I'll have to see the MO in person before I decide. I have some picsI took a week after season on some public ground.....to say the least it shocked me. All I had were an AP jacket and a Predator Fall Gray jacket at the time. Needless to say.....the AP shinedagainst the Predatorin brush and against a tree from different distances. This coming from a longtime Predator fan.