Yeah, I don't really want a gun that will shoot to 60 yards or more. I would like to get a decent40 yard pattern but beyond that I may as well just use a rifle (legal here). I just want to hear real world info in hopes to try to narrow down the vast number of tubes and ammo combos that are available. There are always some that will tend to perform in a higher percentage of guns than others will. I am definetly going out to pattern anythingI try before the season starts though.