Wait a minute!!!!Ken lookin at this board I dont know if you really have a friend!!!!....all kidden aside I do agree with SC,He makes a very good point if your shootin birds at extended ranges than some time,$,and effort will need to be spent on your own personal firearm in preparing it to shoot past 30 to 35 yards.Looks like the guys have given you some expereinced advice,but these combos still need to triedwhen applied.Personally like Swamper, I dont care to drop the hammer and hope on birds at extended ranges, but prefer toshoot under 40.Because of that I dontneccassarily needto spend extra $ in that general direction,but rather towards camo,calls,etc,as well as my lease and travel $.....Bob..