The laws in VA are the problem and the fact that the dog chasers have learned how to abuse them is the second part.
Laws....... They originally were made for real fox hunters. Then in the 50's they added in all hunters and the deer hunters learned how to abuse them as time went on.
A person cannot train dogs on deer out of season in VA. However a person can train on foxes 365 in VA. No problem you let your deer hounds loose and if confronted by a warden all the lawbreaker has to say is the magic words, "they're chasing foxes". That's it, problem over. Well the problem of getting a ticket is over. The dog chasers train anytime they want to - even during bow, spring gobbler, Sundays, you name it, day or night.
The other law is that a person can continue the chase onto prohibited lands as long as they're unarmed. Prohibited = posted property = your property. What you say? Yes a person can state they're following fox (spelled d-e-e-r) hounds any day of the year onto posted lands under the guise of looking for dogs or following the chase and you the land owner can't stop them. Swell huh?
These 2 absurd laws are abused in other ways as well. Say you have a small piece and the resident dog chasers want to hunt your land. No problem they go to the far side drop off dogs, line their land and when the dogs chase the deer out they shoot them. Or they send in several guys hooting for "lost dogs" (that don't exist at all) to do a man drive of your land. All 100% legal.
Throw in the packs that run at large for hours or days on end that get away from the hunt and you can see what it does to still hunting or those that do not want dogs on their lands. Short is you can't stop them and your land is their land so to speak.
I called several game wardens to stop some dog chasers running deer and this is what I got back from them. They won't even bother to ticket them because the dog training law is the only law of it's kind that lets the criminal proclaim their innocence and go free. " I was running on foxes" is all they have to say and they get off. It's based on what the accused says, not the facts that the dogs were indeed chasing deer out of season. Imagine if all laws were that absurd? "I wasn't speeding", ok you can go now.
My name is Robert Everidge, and I am the Game Warden Supervisor for the area you have described in your previous e-mails. The running of dogs out of the hunting season has become more and more popular within the District these days. As the Communications Officer has advised, it's close to impossible to stop this from occurring in the off season. The fox season, with landowner permission can be open all year and the dogs can't read posted signs. We, as Game Wardens check these groups weekly and try to keep them off the roadways and out of posted property with their vehicles.
The only recourse to the problem would have to start with our Game Department board and the Legislature of Virginia. Our board information is available on our web site at
[email protected] .
Thank You for your concern to this problem. Please let me know if you have any questions or if I can assist you in the future.
Sgt. Robert Everidge
Department Of Game and Inland Fisheries
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No Sir.I'm sure they are running deer. They tell us they are fox dogs, or they got out of the pen, or any number of other things. I don't have any thing I can tell you that will help without a change in the seasons or laws.
Thanks, Sgt. Everidge