Force me to drink cold beer? I'm not sure that threat will acheive the desired effect! ;D

You did say I could be sued (not that you WOULD, you are correct), but you did become VERY hostile. This is what led me to agree with a previous post that you could just have joined here to spam about the gun. Yes, I only have 10 more posts than you, but they are spread across quite a number of topics.

I am sure it is a great gun, if it was $700 or so I would probably have bought one years ago, a bunch of us were thinking of negotiating a group buy at one time until we learned what the base price was. It just doesn't make sense for most of us given that, as head001 agreed, the shooter is the limiting factor at those ranges. It's like comparing a 308 and 300WinMag and touting the 300WinMag as a better gun at 400 yards. Sure, the WinMag is better on deer if you're shooting 1000 yards, but wind drift is still a big issue. But at 400 yards the WinMag still drops enough that you have to compensate, so with a rangefinder there is no advantage, and at 400 yards the 308 still packs plenty of punch. In the same way I agree the Ultimate is better on the envelope but at reasonable ranges the benefit is marginal. So I'm not ripping on you or the gun, but stating my opinion based on the resulting ballistics.

Maybe our disagreement on the fouling is subjective, I'll give you that. With 777 I clean my Omega with 5 patches, also under 2 minutes. Pyrodex fouling is not water soluble so that takes longer but I haven't shot it since 777 came out.

I have always wanted to shoot an Ultimate, I was going to get together with a guy in MI but moved out of state before I could make it happen.