trophy1, I think you are confusing the 2 data's gievn, mine was in fact with the 300gr SST you mention and dmurphy used a 275gr bullet in his anaology given through the ultimiate ML website. He does state that and mentions the fact the SST numbers are actually lower, in line with those I posted previously. Sorry but it is IMPOSSIBLE for a 300gr SST to retain 1000 ft.lbs at 500 yards at MV's posted here. Just so your clear I am not knocking any ML or person here, just putting up some numbers so othersmay beinformed with real facts vs marketing hype or spin. I know the first time I shot over a chrony I thought it was set up wrong...I couldn't believe what I thought it should be doing based on published number vs what it was actually clocking at through my bore. Want a reality check shoot through a chrony some time be it gun or bow... reduced many a shooter to red ears and even some to tears.

I have little doubt 700 - 800 ft/lbs will kill a deer...however I highly doubt that many could compensate for the drop or drift in huntingconditions with any reliabliity. Though this is only based on my experience, I am more then a few shots a year guy I am a member of our local range which is only 200 yards so being we are passionate about hunting we have a range setup that allows us to shoot safely to 700 yards with CF's. I limit my ML's to 300 yards as for me they are way to unpredictable past such a range based on the bricks they chuck! Ethics for me comes into play - one must know the limits of both themselves and the equipment.IE non ML related: Weshootour bows to 110 meters at an outdoor 3d course.Just because when conditions allow I hit the vitals more often the not doesn't make it a 110 weapon in my mind. I also have little doubt I could get the penetration needed to harvest a deer with this set up. However it is unethical IMHO asit is beyond the real limits of the equipment and if a small mis-calculation is made by the shooter the results are maginified emensely. Not to mention target rarily move, live animals do!! It is fun to play but when it comes to hunting I have to much love for the spoort and the game I pursue to breach my ethical codes. To each their own!

Sorry for the ramble,[&:]. Good and safe shooting/hunting