Thnx Germ and GR8, and fair enough bigbulls.GR8 is correct, I meant no disrespect, I only asked what camo would work better so we could make some kind of visual analysis. Being as you dont like the 2 patterns you sell, the second question is irrelevant. Its all about how you set up your stand, use camo to your advantage, you wouldnt use a green pattern in a stand when no leaves are up, but you can use our pattern in any season, leaves onlyenhance our pattern.I will say Predator and ASAT make some cool stuff and worked well in some of the side view pictures especially. Ive spent the last 3 years in the field, taking over 5,000 pictures of my camo and of just about every camo pattern out there in every season for comparison pictures and to study, from far, close, shade, sunlight, side views, front views, ground, tree stands, ......probably more than just about anyone on the planet. I have a dedicatedHP ProliantDL385 server with four 36gb drives to store all the pictures on.Most of you would cringe athow"some" of the patterns actually look in tree stands from the frontal 120 deg view which is where "most" deer I shoot are.Here are some pics with more of a side view for you bigbulls.I have thousands, but have to go thru them all and find side view shots just for you : )My pictures dont lie, any deer walking by those hunters below would be going on the grill. C'mon bigbulls, get out there and take some front and side view pictures for us, its actually alot fun seeing hunters in different patternsfrom a deers perspective, the hard part is getting willing subjects to stand out there for hours, changing clothes, climbing back up etc...