b584 if your season is out now is a good time to scout. I have been able to learn a lot about new hunting areas by scouting mid-day or at some time you dont expect deer to be moving. This time of year I find deer to be in the thickest areas. Go in there and make note of where you jump deer. This is the most effective means I have found of locating bedding areas, but I dont recomend doing this untill post season. Once you have found the beds scout the trails heading outward, find the prefered food source set up in the middle and he will come , or not , its a start anyway good luck....hill