man pydpiper thats what i'm after!! thanks wabi and hotburn also you guys are the best!!, where does the majority of you guys keep the string on the two lines?, pydpiper--is yours close to the first line?or does this depend on using an fff string? i plan on going with an fff or Boo string,is that a pellet stove or a woodburner?? i have a Jotul woodburner(castine), its a real money saver!!