You guys that think the TC's are hard to load... have a beer and relax. Buy some HPH 24's and problem solved. I bought a Knight Disc Elite because it was the best shooting muzzleloader of all time, so I was told. What I found out was that It shot ok but would not even come close to my Omega groups... not to mention the crappy ramrod and all the blowback. I will not shoot another gun with out QLA dang all that short starter suff, I like to just start the bullet with my thumb. IMHO TC just builds a better mouse trap.