Hey Cossack!! I started out w/ a $9.95 Lee Loder for .218 Bee and $1500 later was close, lol. What the hell loads are you using for 17 Rem?? Never could get same accuracy as factory loads in that booger and believe me,I tried ALOT of stuff. Won't bore you w/ my successes w/ the other calibers, suffice to say it wasn't pilot error, lol [stolen from Dan Miller, lol]