I too like Oldelkhunter have both a Ruger Red Label and A Beretta 686 both 12 ga. I prefer the Ruger I have never had any problems with either but I feel the Ruger fits me better as far as customer service Ruger is excellent to deal with Beretta USA costomer service is in my opinion a joke good luck talking to a human but that is just my experience. as far as reciol I cant tell any difference chad