Well it's obvious that Shultzy has had a problem with a salesman somewhere in his life. LOL He calls them "Big Shot Salesmen".... I call them proshop owners. It's all in the perception and view point. Really, it's suppose to be fun. You appear to have gotten all bent out of shape on the cause of these "Wounded" animals and missed shots. It's not the saleman.... it's the shooter. I personnally don't know people that go around wounding all the deer your friends seem to. They miss once in a while, but they all don't go around wounding deer. It's harder to wound a deer than it is to miss.[8D] It's suppose to be fun. You can't be the conscience of everyone in the woods. You say you've "preached" to them. Well give it a break and have some fun or find some new friends. Don't preach to them.