You don't shoot.... you won't get them.[8D] That's just a big deer out there. He's not 140 class deer until he's measured. LOL I seriously doubt salesmen are telling all your friends these new compounds will really reach out there. Seems like you're saying you have a lot of friends and none of them can shoot and they all take questionable shots and your words, they're all wounding deer. Everyone in the world is a slob.... except you. Well hell boy, get some new friends if they bother you that much. Curious, how many deer have you killed with your recurve?