I had a Moss 835 Ulti-Mag and I didn't like it very much. I sold it and got the Remington 870 SPS-T with thumbhole and I love the gun. The Remington 870 is the most popular selling shotgun. Definitely take a look at the thumbhole stocks...they cost a little more, but I think that they are worth it in my opinion. I am glad that I got rid of the Moss and got a Remington instead. Both good guns, but I prefer the Remington.