Yeah one of my best friends who has been only hunting for about fours years. He doesnt scout or see that there might be deer there. I scout, have a cam, use scents, calls and rattle bags. Last year he shot an really nice 8 point. This year........a 10 point. Im like you have got to be kidding me. I have been hunting for 30 years and have never gotten a deer over 7 points and he does it back to back years. What really makes me mad is.......he has them by 7 am. Oh well..........what can you do but just say "Hey nice deer..............prick!" lol